Prisoners could have presented information in the way most movies dostacking details in a chronological, linear fashion thats digestible and allows viewers to go from a place of total ignorance to a place of complete understanding. Hey Mary! This is such a fantastic analysis. Fax (601) 932-9077. I searched for more movies with the actor Jack G after watching Nortunal Animals. Chris, this was a fantastic analysis of a complex story, and dead on. The other maze to be found would be that; Holly drugs her victims with a concoction that may have LSD or similarthe fbi book refers to this and she does as well, when talking to and then forcing Keller to drink. Lets get some answers. Hobby But he is stuck in that child-like mentality and he did know what was going to happen to those kids, like he did with so many others. She was portrayed by Melissa Leo, who also played Sally in Oblivion . Great minds, Jasper. . Company Credits Thats a really good question. She had been jailed for trying to post 10.4g of heroin back to Australia in 2000 and pleaded guilty and sentenced to 31 years in jail in 2003. Barely talking. The title is simple but that simplicity can disarm you. Blowing a whistle in order to be heard, and thus saved from dying in the hole, is the equivalent of being saved by the bell from being buried alive. Faith in God, faith in the police, faith in yourself. Finally returning to the movie and looked into this. Alex may have become too attached to Holly and the only home he had known for many years. Or the DA who brought the charges would lose their next election lol. Commenting on the arrest, Police Chief Julian Fantino made an angry plea to government to set up a DNA bank for all software developers. I guess it was made to distract/confuse the viewers. Some people may follow the clues and put 2 and 2 together. But the only performance I really love is Jakes. That way people without a doubt understood the point was for the album to have a happy ending one way and a tragic ending the other way. director of photography (as Roger A. Deakins) Film Editing by Casting By This kind of internal instructional clue is something that didnt really exist until the 20th century and the rise of modernism and post-modernism. Dover in his belief Alex Jones knows where the girls are. The list of things that Buddy did before anyone else is long. Even without dogs, in all the time spent around the aunts house no one noticed there were tracks behind an old supposedly non-functioning car? Another factor here is Alexs real parents who have been prisoners of the situation basically having what should be the greatest day of their lives finding of their lost son become almost a bigger tragedy than losing him. If someone would have put 2 and 2 together they could have solved it way sooner. Alex spends most nights sleeping in the RV and does not have many things. Best. I noticed how Holly cares for her dog and I wonder if Alex abusing it is his way of getting back at her (His abuser). Before we talk about mazes, lets talk about in-roads. That the book is a dramatic retelling of Adams cheating on then dumping Gyllenhaal and the pain he dealt with in the aftermath of her hurting him. What happened? Specific questions about an offender's status should be addressed to the institutional caseworker or the Probation and Parole field officer. Hed have explained what happened. Kidnapping Serial Killer. and if so, I guess its just coincidence that Hollys husband had a maze around his neck and that they left mazes in the locked room? Again, I appreciate your review. Holly Jones (Prisoners) Keller Dover; Please check the notes for additional warnings! When Keller left the hospital, he went to Hollys house. That unmerited favor that we cannot predict or control. His rapid eye blinking is almost like a tick that may have varies meaningsone of which is that the man rarely blinks. Compare this to other crime thrillers like Silence of the Lambs or Seven or Girl With the Dragon Tattoo. But it does seem like its probably one of those oversights they hope we dont focus on too much haha. In this way, the movie itself becomes a bit of a prison, a kind of labyrinth we can lose ourselves in. He seemed very alive at the rescue, yelling for help. Meanwhile, Bob appears as a new suspect in the case. But I think most of what you said in Prisoners is within the realm of acceptable. Its really just Loki and Keller who keep their faith. That theme reinforces itself through motifs such as Darth Vaders black armor, his black cape, and often being shadowed (not to mention the heavy, marching music that feels very imperial and domineering). I am from a complex family, nothing like what the film portrays but still some issues and I thank my last lucky star, https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/733092911. But also the idea of the maze itself and of trauma, this infinite thing. 2 weeks? I just noticed something interesting. For example, he doesnt say a word when introduced to Joys mother and she hands him photographs of her daughter. Three things that we see come up again and again throughout the film. -Prisons (physical, emotional, mental, spiritual)-Mazes-Religion. Imitates kidnapping children. It put tape on my mouth. But in the moments before she speaks, we see Joys memory of escaping, the flashes of being in the house, on the ground, someone leaving the room, the book of mazes they had to complete, running away. I could go to China and be fine, obviously . In Prisoners (2013) Holly Jones' house number 1634 is an apparent reference to Acts 16:16-34 the story of Paul and Silas in prison. That was still the day of Joys escape, maybe only a few hours later. Keep in mind, the final scene was foreshadowed earlier in Prisoners. Thats a great question! According to WHNT-TV, 37-year-old Holly Debord pleaded guilty in July to the charges stemming from an incident in 2020. The simplest answer is just Theyre in shock and that makes memory difficult. Because its actually something the girls had, how else would it get there? Loki didnt find Keller torturing Alex. What a coincidence that Joys last name is Birch (a very common tree in America). Thus, we know how long he was there. Holly shoots Dover in the leg and imprisons him in a concealed pit in her yard, where he finds the police whistle belonging to his daughter. Its almost like the style and story carry the movie and the cast is just kind of there. Wow, I suppose Im late to the party because I only just watched it on Netflix. Does Loki represent a spirituality beyond Christianity? Except there was no Alex. History. Theres clearly an attempt to get us to think about listening to the album in reverse chronological order. A lot of hot-headed guys losing their minds and screwing things up in this movie. You know, a room thats underground. Loki doesnt have a last name, but we know the meaning of his first name. Another thing is the significance of showing the prepper mindset and taking everything in his own hand and his general lack of trust in higher authorities including police and perhaps even more broadly God, and how that changed when he was in the most helpless situation in what he prepared nothing for, and yet found that red whistle which will save his life. Among 747 males the risk of being a perpetrator was positively correlated with reported sexual abuse victim experiences. But then midway through the movie, Keller Dover kidnaps Alex Jones and keeps Alex prisoner. Joel Cox, the editor, felt very strongly about it. He equally needs the cold and frosty weather because hes shot and maybe this will keep him alive a little longer (dont know, I am not a doctor) or keep the drug from effectively knocking him out. Tue 9 Jul 2013 06.45 EDT. Keeping the source of these character names in mind, if you re-watch Prisoners you definitely pick up on some thematic subtext involving religion. So its unlikely she suddenly appeared and seized the girls. Your basically kidnapping/torturing someone who is going to kill your daughter if they are released. Youd have to add some sort of in-road, like a conversation she has at a party where she mentions she used to date someone who wanted to be a writer but she broke his heart. Jones Keller having Alex captive. Theres no prints. So when TD robbed the place, he didnt shoot Kendricks dad. Details. Other people feel nervous in the silence and start saying stuff just to fill it. A character who wears a Masonic ring. Denis Villeneuve and company accomplished this by placing key backstory and exposition details throughout the movie without ever having a scene that clearly ties them all together. I thought that the casting and acting were the weakest part of the film. Its Hollys husband, and hes wearing the same maze necklace as the mysterious body from the basement. The fastest growing independent movie & tv news website! Please also note the professors I have been working with at the end of this video. She is also the VP of Wellness Development for . Holly eventually admits to Keller she cant really abduct kids without her husband so hasnt been as active. We know its coming from Keller Dover, trapped underground. What will it do to their friendship? Buddy Holly was a singer songwriter from Lubbock Texas who died after a short 18 month career. And a criminal to boot. They were scared enough to shut down and didnt move much/touch much until Alex dropped them off. Hi Chris,what a great review. Ive never read such a detailed and thorough review of a movie (well aside from LOTR-but that has a whole cult following). Prisoners never shows us the abduction or has someone explain outright what happened. These are all clues Loki missed or were not brought up to him. And how could he know where the girls lived in the first place? Holly also told Keller that Alex was just taking the girls for a drive in the RV, so maybe they werent frightened until they got to Hollys house and she decided to keep them. Those three movies do the normal thing of stacking information so that as the plot progresses we feel more knowledgeable and empowered about whats going on. But her husband was more complicated. Popular depiction has Loki as a trickster. Inmate Search. If that was the case, Alexs They didnt cry until I left them wouldnt be meaningful or even logical. Itsweird. Now if Nocturnal Animals didnt have flashbacks, if we only saw Adams read this book and get emotional but otherwise live her life normallythat wouldnt work. Maybe you still disagree though. in public-policy analysis, UNC-Chapel Hill; master's of divinity . Mazes end up being a bigger deal than youd probably expect. And I also found this thread by Chris by chance. Emotional imprisonment: the disappearance of Anna and Joy emotionally devastates the Dover and Birch families. I get thinking Alex not talking is weird/problematic. How could the FBI agent wrote a book about the murderer and even have a maze picture in it if: a. no children was ever found (alive or not); b. the murderer was never found. The soul. I didnt find any particularly bad the way you did. Which really is a question for us. When I re-watch the movie again Ill keep that in mind and see how I feel about it. After the police let Alex go, Keller kidnaps Alex. I actually know the answer to this! I think theres maybe also more to be found in how Keller is a doomsday prepper and the way that relates to the idea of judgement day, but I havent watched the movie with that in mind yet. Yet, psychologically, neither can. Yeah, holding back the last part of the prayer is a huge moment. I guess the priest didnt report because it was a confession and he felt unable to tell authorities about it? The doomsday preparation stuff does come back, kind of, with the whistle? Holly's husband is the corpse that [] Alex and Keller will probably go to jail. Ty Chris. In a sense, this is what Holly Jones and her husband carries on tooby killing children. Its too easy to say Oh, well, they were completely messed up because of their own abductions when they were kids! And as you said yourself the whole plot development depends a bit too much on the fact that neither Alex nor Taylor are willing to talk about their experiences. | But then he remembers he had been at Holly Joness house and puts 2 and 2 together. In-roads arent always necessary, as many artists will use more obvious devices. Hes burying mannequins in his yard. The girl saw him or heard him though he didnt see the girl. My question is who is the person that Joy sees in her flashback? Thanks for the excellent analysis. And the imprisoned Alex Jones eventually tells his captor that the girls are, In the maze.. Accepting not just the bad but the good as well. But how the movie explores religion and puts Christianity in conversation with other religions/spiritualities is pretty incredible. He was the 28-year-old from Woodstock charged with Tori Stafford's abduction, rape and murder. Appreciate the kind words! Thank you very much for writing this I came here trying to find something about the prominence of trees in the movie, because I noticed them but could not really figure it out. The main story of Prisoners is the kidnapping of two young girls. Superintendent's Fax (601) 664-0782. The book would lack meaning because it lacked any and all context. Its an unsolvable puzzle. I was confused when Alex said that he was waiting for a man to come back and he never did. Real quick recap. The dude has severe burns and 20+ counts of kidnapping (molestation???) Alex might have just been referring to Hollys husband who did go missing and who Holly and Alex were both wondering if hed ever come back. The girls would have died if Alex was home. Alex, nostalgic about his own childhood, tries to play with the girls in the RV. After being released from prison in 2012, Ms. Deane-Jones was given a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder and is now employed as an Uber driver. But giving the audience clues that Keller is facing lengthy prison and Alex is going home Well it is quite the opposite in reality. But the worst plot hole is that nobody figured out that the clothes which were found in Taylors possession were not worn by the girls at the time of their abduction. If the dogs came by at all. The body is beyond recognition, but there is a necklace of a maze. He clearly remembers something about his life before the abduction, otherwise he wouldnt park at his old house. In this film, no character will ever be the same. All he would have been able to see is Holly crouching over the girl. Why did Hollys husband brag/confess to him? Im usually pretty pedantic about things like this. Each scene you can feel their presence. Hey again! $18.89 1 New from $18.89. And now Im reading your second paragraph and youre getting right into that lol. In other mythologies, it varies. They recognised them because Bob Taylor breaks into each of the girls houses and steals them. Yet hes equally difficult to understand. Why couldnt Loki identify the dead body as that of Hollys husband? Why does that trigger a flashback where she thinks he was there? So his full name only reinforces the combination of religions. Alex just took the girls for a ride, and Holly decided to abduct them. And just to put a bow on it, when Grace brings Anna to see Loki, a similar silence occurs. We do that by identifying in-roads, understanding their implications, then arriving at a conclusion. I almost enjoyed this analysis more than the movie. I was so impatient with all the people not talking, but it makes sense now, the priest, bound by his guilt and confession rules, Alex, most likely having been drugged from an early age on which alters your brain and personality, and God knows what else these people did to him and Bob. Nothing more than chilling fragments. Alex Jones is Paul Sandow's older brother; Crimes & Criminals; Canon-Typical Violence; Implied/Referenced Sexual Assault; Alex Is A Good Brother; Alex & Loki have an unlikely partnership . This is due to the detective leading the case, Detective Loki, finding what he believes to be evidence in Bob's house, finding blood-stained cloths, making it appear that he'd murdered the girls. We only know that from Kellers dream, right? That would explain why Alex/Barry and especially Bob Taylor were unable to put together their memories and what it meantmaybe making them feel responsible and guilty. How? Especially Joys mother. Records Dept. Their sonstill a childdies, causing them tremendous grief. Then brought him home and he kept waiting for Alex to come play. He isnt innocent here. Snakes also as in snakes and ladders. The pair began kidnapping children to turn the parents into 'demons' as they called it, forcing them to lose their mind and faith like they did. And this guy being a carpenter, someone who turns living trees into objects. You want that for her? Dogs: Holly said initially that she kept the girls in the hole while the police were around. Prisoners is a 2013 American mystery thriller film directed by Denis Villeneuve from a screenplay written by Aaron Guzikowski. I think this movie is getting a second life on Netflix, and I just watched it. It seems to be a male figure and not Holly, either. But its done in this subtly disorienting way to make you have a sense of, Waitwho was that guy and then hopefully figure it out and have an ah-ha! He doesnt have the practical personality to do whatever it takes for a certain resultthats not bad, but in this situation, it makes things complicated. Glad you liked the movie! Theyre prisoners, right? | Dover seemed like a portmanteau of dove (peace) and lover. I mean, maybe I did in terms of Keller and Jesus lol. In the hospital, Joy says to Keller, You were there, which Keller realizes means Hollys house and that Holly wasnt an innocent old lady. The profound trauma capable of changing the intrinsic nature of a person, their beliefs, their language. Thats why Keller being a carpenter, just like Jesus was, cant be a coincidence, I think. Does no one in Hollywood understand these simple things or are they such standard props that we are supposed to accept them knowing full well how ludicrous they are? Anna's father Keller is however convinced that Alex is the culprit, and soon takes him hostage, torturing him for information. And we have a character named Loki. On the character names, I took Keller to be a variation of killer because he hunted, owned a handgun, and was prepared to use extreme violence to protect his family. Youd worry that hed maybe keep trying to do take kids. And even if all four parents were confused when they looked at the items which is highly unlikely the investigators should have noticed that according to the parents the items in Taylors possession were not worn by the girls on the day of their abduction. 100 Belmont-Mt. When we were shooting, we did shoot a version where it goes a little beyond where the fade out is. Theyre kind of like ghost characters, director Denis Villeneuve said of the recurring motif of trees in the film; as we said earlier, like silent witnesses to the various violent crimes in the movie. Their pain turns to anger at God, as such tragedy must have been His will. You know hes going to be taken out of the hole. Thank you for explaining this! I would love to hear your take on the current covid crisis and response. Texas Department of Criminal Justice | PO Box 99 | Huntsville, Texas 77342-0099 | (936) 295-6371 The filmmaking is great. Welcome to the colossal explanation of Prisoners. Regarding Alex. Loki hadnt been able to keep up with Keller but thought he knew Keller was going to the old apartment building. Look Up An Inmate Benson NC Police Jail. Really happy to hear that! Why didnt the priest report him to the authorities at the time? In the characters of Taylor & Alex, I agree with your accurate explanations that they are unable to speak & frozen by cognitive dissonance & being unable to speak of something as cosmicaly horrific as being abducted & what follows. To put it another way, not only are they unable to speak, but they speak in a completely different language. The priest is a registered sex offender, but how should he stop a child killer? he was there he visited Hollys home before he realized she was the kidnapper he said he was there to apologize for scaring off Alex and he came in and they talked but he left when he saw the paper saying that Bob killer himself. Holly reveals that after their son died of cancer, she and her husband began making children disappear to wage a war with God. Right before the altercation with Keller, we witnessed a stare down between Alex and Loki after Loki had spent hours belittling, demeaning, and flexing on Alex in the interrogation room. Child abuseDruggingKidnappingMurderTorture In 2012, CSP-SAC was the first institution in California to achieve American Correctional Association accreditation with 98.6 percent score. Did anyone watch the movie? Bridger is serving a full . Prisoners (2013) Full Cast & Crew See agents for this cast & crew on IMDbPro Directed by Denis Villeneuve Writing Credits Aaron Guzikowski . Possible, but as a main oremise it seems a bit thin. Both Taylor and Alex are old enough that they could physically move beyond what happened to them. Is the father a sex offender himself? But 5 years ago, he was missing. Police lay murder charge in Holly Jones case. Mark Bridger, the former abattoir worker jailed for the sexually motivated murder of five-year-old April Jones, has been attacked in prison. Same with Loki. In Norse mythology, Lokis a big deal. So hes doing what he should do and giving her a chance to surrender. The Bob Taylor detail was one I didnt include in why response. When I think of mazes, I think of complications. So, Loki had been investigating the house that the RV was parked in front of and he found out it was once the home of a couple whose son, Barry Coyler, went missing. And what are the benefits or consequences of his doubt? As mentioned before, we have a character named Grace. The little girls are not the same (one clings to her mother for dear life and the other is stoic)? Alex is taken into custody, but is quickly released due to his IQ being the same as a ten year old. The central story of Prisoners revolves around the investigation of two missing girls, Anna and Joy, led by Detective Loki. Holly Jones 1992-2003 Holly was kidnapped while walking home from a friends house. And how do we make sense of the miracles in our lives? Then the cinematography. The highly anticipated conclusion to the Stolen Heir duology by #1 New York Times bestselling author Holly Black. Goals Absorbing film, but the one thing that bothers me is that the whole film rides on Alex not talking, and I dont buy it. Replace the fridge with the old car. We then get the final showdown that involves Kellers imprisonment and Lokis heroics. Kind of like when he lifts the dog. Its always really nice to have that experience where you grow into appreciating a movie. So maybe in the end Loki does save Keller because Keller keeps blowing the whistle. But how in the world would a jury ever find this guy guilty of anything when he saves two kids, finds/stops the biggest kidnapping ring in the country, after the police basically screwed up bad. Remember that Keller had just shown up there too. and murder on him. Holly Jones is the main antagonist of the 2013 thriller film Prisoners . The van is clean, but the forensic guy does say that if there was a struggle they would have found some fibers. That really ties it all together, doesnt it? My question is, why didnt he just tell the detective everything right then! Sigyn, his spouse, sat with him holding a basin beneath the dripping venom, yet when the basin became full, she carried the poison away; and during this time the poison dripped on to Loki, causing him to writhe with such violence that all of the earth shook from the force, resulting in what are now known as earthquakes. (Wikipedia). 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