They have been evicted from the La Verkin properties by Robert Lichfield (Optimum Billing Services). It keeps getting worse and worse. The behavioral boarding school was called Spring Creek Lodge Academy. I went to BOTH of these places! Id like to connect and talk about your experience more if you are up to it? Tc excel family. I was molested and beaten up and learned things i would of never dreamnt of knowing how to do or been around people like that until my mother sent me there. I was only 13 stil in middle school. For pricing on lodging packages visit each individual package for rates, inclusions and exclusions. Sending you lots of love and good vibes from CA. I remember Wolf going home and dying from a overdose at a party shortly after getting home. Not to mention whats his name who ran the seminars that guy was a damn psycho. After about 15 minutes, I went in to see what was taking her so long. I was scared to talk about it till I was in my 30s. Yeah they messed with us early guys pretty hard. You bet youre asd I do, those anger issued saved lots of lives in the sandbox. When our parents did come into town, the staff put on quite a good show and meal. The only man in the behavior modification program with the title Psychologist and we werent allowed to talk to him haha So telling. Merry Christmas homie I self correct I mean uhh and happy new year. Biscuits and gravy were all the rave until you had it a million and 1 times. But shipping a child away is no option. It eventually became clear that they had become almost as brainwashed as some of my peers. I was there in 2005 at that horrific shit hole add in serious trauma to my life. He helped me get out of there. I just cant imagine putting my child in an environment like that. Omg Ian and Jennifer, I totally remember you guys (and maybe others)! Jay with the dish bowl chest. I too was in Serenity. http://www.flickr.com/photos/100005874@N05/ Rates from $55 - $65 a night plus tax. I remembered that kiss. When I got to the bottom there was a river that was a 100 yards wide. Spring Creek Elk Ranch, Ranch for Sale in Montana, #131918 : Buy If yall been to Jamaica YOU would honestly be greatful for. But after they saw that he and I wwerent causing iasues, they let us interact and hang out at free time which is when most jumpings occured. It was winter time and the most snow Ive ever seen. From May of 2003 to June of 2004, Im Amber Wayman. Nelson's Spring Creek is a premier fly fishing destination in Montana and is located on our ranch 10 miles south of the town of Livingston, Montana in Paradise Valley, just 40 minutes from Yellowstone National Park. He was from cali and on probation (my running partner) and I live in ft lauderdale florida so he left me in vegas. I grew somewhat accustomed to the monotony, floating through the same day over and over and over again. Lol. There was Jay Ruff (dish bowl chest) haha..and James Jones who left when he turned 18. We pushed the button and ran for a bit, but the boys were faster. The worst for me was the emotional abuse. I was in mike lindermans adoption group. Im now 30 soom to b 31. Reading about Josh Lambert is crazy. What a horrible person. If we screwed up we would be put in a tent with the same meager rations from the Arizona desert or forced to walk 10+ miles. For the firat few weeks, he and I werenteven allowed to make eye contact. And get this those same three friends that were doing all those same things I was doing are doing 10 times better in life that I am doing today. Got first home made tattoos here, lost my virginity at 13 to a 16 year old. I hope you all are doing okay. Three years in the program, never made it above level one, never went to a single seminar, and rebelled just enough to not get transfered to Jamaica. (Morava?) I remember before we officially left this pedo ass fuck named Mike Terry took a group of us (level 3s-4s & 5s) on a walk through the desert and we voted each other up. fam leader. We were denied simple foods and forced to build snares to catch rodents for food. Then your going to eat generic count chocula cereal or some bland ass oatmeal without butter or sugar if youre not a level two. I stole a car twice, escaped, robbed a liquor with a stolen car and brought tobacco back to feed the masses. i cant find a some others tho, so if you remember me, Janna Bottsford, hit me up on FB. I remember not getting propper shoes or even my shoe laces during winter cause of a prior wilderness program i was in they claimed i could run n survive in the woods. in my case i long for the things they took from me. I remember one time near the end of my program i got dropped from level 3 allstar to level 1. When enough boys had arrived, they split us into 3 groups and told us to come up with family names and we would get our own cabins. Let me tell u that last hour was the craziest shit It was like a movie because I wasnt gonna get comfortable just sitting around the airport. Anyway, I just started his book because I have a little cousin well call D he is 11 years old and showing signs of being a sociopath. Maybe the rest of us are just lazy misanthropes too thick in the head to possibly come to realize the wealth of life skills you the enlightened eternal level sixes have attained . PERIOD. My friend Jennifer and I decided we would find out. That is why I am so thankful for this page. Memories of my bunk mate losing his fucking mind and trying to kill himself. Literally in front of my huge work truck. But not without respect and an open heart to others. It was so cruel what you all went through and then on top of it to not be treated right even when family came was insane. My name is Trent, I was in Excel with Henry, Brad, Matt, Bill, Jesse, Scott, Jason and a whole bunch of other little fuckers that were honestly mostly pretty funny kids. While I try not to judge others, as I dont know the particulars of what theyre going through with their kids, I just wouldnt and couldnt ever do that and feel that sending your kids away is giving up on them. Chaffin Pullan EUREKA, KANSAS The Spring Creek Ranch is home to a proud family of cattle ranchers that have worked the land for more than a century. What lines, why is food an issue, what work parties???? Spring Creek Campground and Trout Ranch - RV Park Store I would love to reconnect with some of the girls I knew. Hey buddy, long long time huh? I did try to run one time with a buddy Patrick we were in that building where you had to listen to tapes all day. I am proud of that and still remember my times there. Sites are picked on a first come first serve basis upon arrival. He was a good friend to me and if it wasnt for him I might not have made it out that place. I hoped that was true. My father has worked in two different homes since the closing of this school. Im just glad I saw through the BS. Mine was ground level on the girls side appropriately entitled: Serenity. I dont think the winter event was normal. There were only about 20 boys at Spring Creek when I arrived we were the first and opened that damn hell hole like prisoners opening up a new yard. I dont blame wwasps directly for some actions taken by wayward former students, but you would think that if these programs were successful in any way, someone whos parents were dropping hundreds of thousands a year on their kids mental health would be at least somewhat stable. That was Eugene, or am I trippin? I have been helping him put together his story if anyone remembers Brian McLaren from 96 and 97 and would be willing to share what they remember please help me help him. and SHARING, WTF is SHARING?? Were like 10 miles from Heron and it looked like she had slippers or bare feet. If my child ever reads this I want her to know that I am sorry. I kept my mouth shut, played their game, and got the fuck out. I also forgive my daughter for her choices/actions that resulted in her stay at Spring Creek. All my questions were answered after a few nights of internet research. please email me at ms.stephanielhudson@yahoo.com I will tell you everything i rememeber. We were put through the monotony of their daily brainwash therapy. I was in SCL in 1997, I think I remember you Gabe. This place was hell and would not wish it on anyone. I returned with dreads and a weird tan and I smelled like crap and had to shower like 5 times (Thats 15 minutes in total, woohoo). One activity was the lifeboat and you had to go tell all your fellow prisoners if they lived or died. Jackson Hole Wyoming :: 1 (800) 443.6139 Lodging Spa Activities Dining Meetings & Groups Weddings Wildlife Safaris Media Book Now Packages & Specials Jackson Hole Wyoming:: 1 (800) 443.6139 Lodging I think I met you in a seminar where they made us stick stickers on boys and made us think about all the times the opposite sex screwed us over? I remember the mormon staff yesRandy and his brother (?) It is like talking to a soldier and having never been in the military. . A fourth home on the property consists of 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms and can serve as staff housing or has potential for rental income. Public humiliation and reliving trauma seemed to be their weapon in manipulation. I have never been the type to go with the flow or fake it till I make it. It was attached to another dorm by a door, but we werent allowed to talk to the girls living there. Dont punish yourself brother. RV Sites - 57 total The worst part is these programs go on operating, get shut down and reopen in new locations with different names and the world just lives on, completely oblivious that hell holes such as these really exist. They also had the seminars which were abusive in their own right. Fuck this place. I am so sorry for everyone who was littetaly kept prisoner i sincerelyhope my mother was not the cause of some of these horrible ordeals. READ REDFIN'S, Do not sell or share my personal information. That place ruined me. When were you there Jimmy. I was in Courage family with him when I first went to SCL. He was indeed traumatized by wwasps. Before that I lost mass amounts of weight because the food was almost inedible. One would think anyone would understand the backlash of that move, Mike was awesome, and from what I know he was not there at the end I believe he had moved onbut I graduated in 2001 and am nor fully sure. Located in the heart of Paradise Valley, the scenery located along the spring creek is some of the best in the state. I was lucky that my parents were growing tired of for me to go there. If you are the same person doing the same thing with the same bad attitude as before you qent to the program wake up! When I first arrived it felt like military walking around heel toe not being able to talk or even look at certain people. I think, Danny, I remember you. That was the highlight of my day.meanwhile all of this is heel to toe no talking ECT ECT. I hope the girls in my family are alright. Lawsuits Mount Against Spring Creek Lodge, http://wwaspsurvivors.com/youth-foundation-success-academy-youth-foundation-inc/, http://www.flickr.com/photos/100005874@N05/, http://www.facebook.com/groups/wwaspsurvivors, http://chaffinpullanismarvelous.weebly.com/, Youth Foundation Closes Amid Scandals, Lawsuits | WWASP Survivors. Chelsey, I was there in 1999. Sure it sucks not beig able to eat or watch tv when you want and you have to follow a bunch of bullshit rules. Excel was next door to you guys. FOCUS was my favorite does anyone remember the lifeboat process holy fuck! I dont remember alot of peoples names from then but I do remember jay and Eugene and gabe. They would break me down so much in the hobbit that I would cry and scratch chunks of skin out of my arms and legs. Instead it just made us a little crazy to varying degrees. It all starts with hiring people qualified to care for kids. Hey, I was at Spring Creek Community in 1988 as this place was evolving into the nightmare scenario it ended up being. Privileges you lost at home because of that lack of respect. I wont say I want to visit for closure because like previously stated my experience helped me, it did not harm me. but its true. I was at SCLA in their final days of neglect and deceit. The deed to the ranch, a vital part of the larger Matador Cattle Company, says Koch, but to J.D., it's the only home he knows. I packed a few books for the road and got into a car with two ex-cops. I was the guy that tried to break out with Jake and Eugene but I didnt make it out the window because Jake made a ton of noise. This happens more often than you would believe and I have been out for over eight years. http://chaffinpullanismarvelous.weebly.com/ Was there until 2001. Honestly I think they got off on that. Im sure a couple men still think of me with enmity as I do for those who were above me. Only difference is my parents brought me and lied convincing me it was just a boarding school where I could easier focus on my education without the distractions that gangs and drugs were causing at the time. 14 hours ago. Lol. Was there march 31 2002 july 1, 2004. I am so glad to talk to those whom made it through that insane school and I would love to talk to those whom I was there with . Sending everyone love and healing from all this awful shit. Fishing changes by the week in Montana. So many memories of that shit hole I could go on for hours if not days. She just went through trying to get her transcripts with no luck. She said she already knew I was gone and she knew about a couple other crimes I did in between to eat and whatever so she was my biggest cheerleader to get home and booked me a plane ticket to get home that was departing in about an hour. What fucking psycho plays tony Robbins at every fucking meal. He is too stupid to be evilbut the results are the same. I spent twenty seven and a half months there. Lol. I didnt care because I was going home, my ticket was already bought but she had to staybehind. I have since married and had three children, and can say I am pretty happy in my life. I was there in 2003. Kootenai Springs Ranch - Hall and Hall We were given like 4 layers of clothes and a parka. Punched Cliff in his fuckin face. The rules there never changed, and the overall mentality of staff was neglectful and oblivious to the emotional conflicts of individual students at SCLA. His mom works 2 jobs, goes to college full time and cares for her two boys D and J. I definitely dont want to recommend a boys camp if this is the type of treatment he will get! Ive known people who have done it. I was in Quest family, Quest family veteran here. I would be Dead or in Prison had I not Undergone the Change that SCL is Soley Responsible for. 5. Remarks: Canyon Ferry Reservoir Views, Baldy Mountain Views and year round . There was absolutely no one qualified to look after us. Before the 2 story additions. Let me tell you, that shit bled into my life too. I was there from dec 05 dec 07. I was Jakes closest friend there and I tried to convince him not to run because I knew he wouldnt make it we all felt the same about busting out of there. I was excited the whole way I couldnt wait to go snowboarding. Finally one day when I had my scheduled call, my mother asked , Are they listening to you talk. and I said , Yes . My son was facing prison so I felt that I had no choice. Looked like ex cops or FBI, something. SPRINGWATER RANCH: Features Intersected (Location): BCH OF CAMPBELLS CREEK (SEC 14 T 3N R 4E B) Year Built: 1983: Year Reconstructed: . Its a great place with great people that are here to help As I said that I looked right in the eyes of the older lady. Bath/Showers are located by the main office. After running all night in the freezing cold(my sweat was frozen to my beanie),I was caught the next morning around 10am. Anyway love to get in contact with anyone who knows the two I mentioned or myself. My name is travis hull. if so i remember when they moved him.. I took off on foot the first time because I could hear a train horn in the distance so I thought I would try to jump on it and go whatever way it took me and I will figure out my next move whenever I got the fuck away from those assholes. Armstrong Spring Creek is a world class spring creek and a mecca for catch and release fly fishing in Montana. Get the latest updates and new property listings from Fay Ranches Dont even get me started on the seminars. Its really disheartening to hear about the shared hopelessness we all felt. I was in paradise cove from july of 97 to oct 98. For some reason I have the discovery seminar in a binder I have yet to destroy. I arrived so fucked up on flowers im the hopes I would die but instead I woke up in hell. That place made spring creek look like the Hyatt. Please drop a line after you do! I know there was a lot of sadness and angst associated with this place, but for me its mostly comedy. Last week during the Youth Foundation parent/child seminar, Chaffin Pullan (who is the new director since Jade Robinson resigned) mentioned taking the kids to Riverview in Montana. Many avid anglers, however, enjoy bringing their own gear. He never talks about what happened there. After abusing hundreds, maybe even thousands of teenagers this man has finally been stopped. even that lil Damon, half the reason i took my exit right on my bday. Energy suck, emotional suck, attention suck! Maybe he figures were too f-ing stupid to look into the people we hope to glean some advice and guidance from. Armstrong Spring Creek | Yellowstone Angler Guide Service They told me not to run. For those of you relatively fresh out, young and confused, dont try to rationalize what happened there because you never will. Pretty much just to get me out of her hair so she could drink and party honestly. I remember Eugene, I think we called him little 2Pac. @sirroderickciff345 Blessings to you all. My parents came and picked me up in March because they knew I would actually just bail. jgraham2862@gmail.com, Thank you Jessica. If that doesnt sum up their bullshit in one sentence I would like to know what does. I couldnt convince my group of friends to do the same- at that point they couldnt talk to me. That place was a trip! Everyday I contemplated suicide, it seemed the only way to get freedom. The last thing I said because I was confused at what I was seeing and hearing was. (talking-on-silence) infraction. Thats it, Im sick of breathing now. Join Chick-fil-A One .Earn points with every qualifying purchase. Another side note- my reason for being there was because I did not like my step dad and argued with my parents constantly. Finally they kicked me out. Chelsey what time were you at Spring Creek I was in Serenity also. Phillips Realty | Central Montana Farm and Ranch Properties for Sale I ran with the nortenos back in the day, and lucky me, there was one fellow 15yo ene there from antiochbut 3 surenos and a crip, and this asian dude that was muscly as fuck but mentally a complete bitch who just wanted the crips to like him. I was unaware that a website like this existed until a girlfriend of mine told me about it. I sort of learned how to play the game in my own way, but my friends had a much harder time than I did, I think. Mariam, I am so sorry to hear about kareem! They only cared about money. They were found and brought back a few days later, and were beaten within an inch of their lives. Think about what an entire staff body of 200 employees like this could do to kids. We flew into Las Vegas and next day drove to what I thought was Park Cities. I remember getting moved downstairs, but could not remember why. I lived life through my headphones and skateboard. Danny I believe you had a twin brother, I cant remember his name. Im sorry, but anyone who leaves their kid in the care of a man named Narvin needs a brain transplant. My name is Stephanie Hudson and i went to Spring Creek Lodge in 1999-2000. He was at Spring creek from when he was 16-18 years old. The reason I sent my child to Spring Creek was because she quit school in her Junior year and was completely disrespectful and running with trouble. I was there at spring creek community before most of you here. I wonder if the place is for sale? I put my name as 5mo for now because that was my nickname. i havent heard the term before. The feelings of hopelessness, mental rape, and imprisonment for whatever offense perpetrated at home, and dealt with by uniform aggression and abuse always remain. There are no excuses and everyone made mistakes but no one deserves to be treated sofoolish as to say our parents couldnt save us or didnt care for us. I remember u from the swing dance pep rally I think. This allowed for a one meager meal a day as we marched over a rugged landscape that , though beautiful, was totally harsh. looking back the place cracks me up. If anyone remembers Kyle Thompson please get In touch with me thompsondsm92@gmail.com. As a result frostbite. If (and hopefully when) you DO come to terms with what happened to you, we will be here for you, as we have been for so many others. By the sounds of, around the same time. Whats up buddy, Courage was formed after I had arrived in that hell hole. She is on the tracks and we are about to release 4-5 trains at full speed , she could have been in the middle of that bridge and never had a way off if a train came over. $140,000. I remember some of the cabin names.Blue SkyTetonGreen-something? Seeing as how we were not allowed to exchange personal contact information during our time there. I was put on a plane to Arizona in December and I ended up being forced marched through the canyon country for 3 weeks. That place has haunted me for years.I was there about three months when the first of the girls began to arrive they would make us lay on the ground and put our face in our hands so we couldnt look at them.I remember the pit, the hobbit and all the bullshit we had to go through. Im 27 now and I have a great job and a few ppl around me that are good ppl. Stephanie. I just found out about this place. So you couldnt process the traumatic loss you just experienced as a child being drug out of your bed in the middle of the night. I hope to find a way to create something I can look forward to but for now I am trying to just get by. I always felt like she wanted me to fail. (john H, Myles, Eugene..etc) what a trip ANd all of your stories are hauntingly familiar.times and memories i had locked up deep down to forget about i mean what good did gravel pit do? Kids were shivering cold, teeth chattering. The first chef, Dan, had apparently domesticated her but Im not 100% sure if thats fact. No one gets what happened at SCL. He beat a staff up with a vacuum tube if I recall correctlyinsanity breeds insane behavior if you ask me. I still have nightmares about this place, and it has been 7 years since I have graduated from this place. To those who had more trouble re-adjusting back to life, I fully understand. i know you just want to help and i envy your husband for having such a committed wife. He then went on to be the Director for Majestic Ranch, now operating as Old West Academy, where children as young as 7, and perhaps younger, were detained, abused, and used as forced labor. To past survives be well and good luck , Wow, 4 or 5 years before I was there. I have heard that they owe vendors thousands and are on the verge of closure! I was sent away in 2003-2005. Anon, Undated K think my favorite phrase was staff it. Oh you did..great glad all of us underage minors could help you out with that at 3 am in the rain.our pleasure, Jessica !! When I could be doing all of these things on my own free will in my home town! I had it relatively good. In a perfect world these bastards would be in prison. I truly feel that the abuse and neglect allegations were kids writing their mommies trying to get them to bring theme home. Holy shit, its Brandy! I have so many stories from what went on there but not enough time or space here lol. Would she be pushed and prodded to say what they want. There was another Billy from Vegas. I fought it at first because I saw how ridiculous it was. how do I staff a seminar after I have graduated from the program? Loved many of them. Im glad you got so much outta of this place bro. And to think she used to be my favorite cousinshame shame. I saw kids slit there wrists, abused by staff, and bullied by many. I used to watch Cameron and Chaffen walk around there as if they were kings of the facility. Anybody remember that kid Torrey? They were shown they could have a little power over others and ran with it and for the majority of them came across to me as kids that didnt really belong in any sort of place like this. If u ever need someone to talk to Id be more than willing to listen. People should know what went on and what still goes on in remote corners of the country and abroad to children whose parents have been duped into this stuff. I think I remember Chelsea. . Idk if anybody ever looks at this anymore, as 20 years in the past comes and goes. It has taken a long time to search for this site but Im glad I did. Please know that God loves you and will forgive anything and everything you did back then or have done since; all you have to do is ask. it takes time. If you remember a tall redhead who kept rebelling thats me!